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Creating the floor slab – II

The Plan
We had booked our concrete over three consecutive mornings. I went with the volumetric mixing trucks because they have up to 6m of reach from the back of the truck and because they can hold 9+ cubic m of materials, however the trucks are 8m long, much bigger than barrel mixers, so we had to do some rearranging on site to give them access. The first day we would fill the garage and master bedroom areas in the west wing, with one load, estimated 7.6 cu m. The following day we would use two loads to fill the north wing, estimated 14 cu m. Then on the third day, do the east wing, estimated 7.6 cu m.

The Reality
We used more concrete that I expected: My estimates were bad, I had assumed a dead-level blinded surface and exactly 125mm depth of concrete. There was a few cm variation within each discrete area (master bedroom & garage in the east wing, the north wing and the east wing) and some variation between them. So the garage area base was not exactly 15cm higher than any of the other areas. These differences were significant. If the north wing, for example, was just 1cm lower than it should be relative to the other areas, we would need almost one extra cubic metre of concrete. My other mistake was to assume that the extra volume to fill the troughs (along the sides of the east & west wings, to support structural timber) were to be spread evenly across all the floor area.They were not. So I particularly underestimated the amount of concrete for the east and west wings.

Both my brothers told me, after the event, that I should have added 10% to my estimate and ordered 33 cubic metres.

Day 1
Anyway, the truck turned up on the first day. We got him to pull up in next-door’s driveway and back up to the master bedroom area. We had parted our fence, so the truck could get as close as possible: We will patch it up once the job is done. It went very smoothly. The concrete was set up for a C35 mix and was fairly runny and well-mixed, so flowed easily. By adjusting the number of chutes on the end of the mixing auger and the direction of the auger, we really did not have much raking to do. My youngest brother, Geoff, did the skilled work. He had a laser level that stood at one end of the area and a receiver that he fixed at the right height on his tamping tool. If the tool was low, it made rapid beeps, when too high, it made slow beeps. When it was at the required level it made a continuous tone. So with a minimum of fuss we got the master-bedroom area filled.

It had used at least a cubic m more that I had estimated and the driver thought he did not have enough materials to fill the garage area, so we rescheduled for a separate job over a fourth day. This was annoying, but not disastrous. Geoff used his concrete roller to push the aggregate down, then his float at intervals to smooth out the surface. It rained, but we still got a good surface.

Day 2
The following day a different driver turned up with a smaller truck. he backed up to what will be our garage door and filled the garage area. We opted for a stiffer mix, which was bit more work, but should allow a better finish, since it is the final surface (no insulation or screed on top).

Annoyingly it rained more heavily than the previous day, but again Geoff got a good smooth finish. Ric spent part of the day clearing lintels and granite out of the way so the truck could back up next day to the north wing through two openings.

Day 3
We got the first truck load in the west half of the north wing and got the full 9 cubic m. We were a bit concerned about whether we had got the area more or less that half-filled. We also had to get the concrete spread over a longer distance. Ric constructed a separate chute from a sheet of galvanised steel on a wooden frame and, when the truck reappeared an hour and a half after leaving, it worked perfectly. As it happened, we used 6 cubic m from the second load – I think the floor must have been, on average, a bit higher here.

The galvanised sheet on the chute came out looking polished and shiny – just like new. Was this the abrasive action of the flowing concrete, or a chemical thing?

At one point the driver did say he would had enough concrete on the first day to finish the garage area, after all. Hey ho!

Day 4
On the final day, the driver loaded a full 10 cubic m of material on the truck, got it backed up to the bathroom window area and, with Ric’s chute, got the whole area filled with one load. Just. There was about a bucket of mix left over. It rained again and Geoff worked a smooth surface under water.

We used 33 cubic m of concrete in total – my estimate of 30 illustrated exactly why I needed to have used the ‘add 10%’ convention. Laying concrete is stressful because of what can go wrong and the difficulties with correcting mistakes. Aberdeen Concrete ltd made it much easier than it could have been. They were helpful and we only paid for the concrete we needed. But we were all relieved once the last load went in. We did have to clear quite a lot of space to allow their trucks to get backed into the opening we wanted to use.

Having spent the last three years climbing about inside the steading, it is quite strange walking on a flat, hard, continuous surface. The drain pipes look much more professionally installed now they poke vertically out of the concrete and it is blessing not to be tripping over the external electrical cables and water supply. We know from the puddles on the concrete that the surface varies by less than 1cm over each area. It will be a good base for the insulation panels and screed.

Concrete & Lime

Concrete
I have discovered the complicated world of ready-mix concrete. We need around 30 ‘cubes’ and want delivery trucks with elevators at the back end, so we can get the stuff within the steading walls before barrowing it i.e. no more than 10m to push each barrow load.
I looked around, there are loads of companies in and around Peterhead and Fraserburgh. I checked out a reasonable sample, none do trucks with elevators. By chance I looked nearer Aberdeen and spotted one that did on-site mixing, which I knew nothing about. I glanced at their website and Lo! They had a piccie of a truck with an elevator and a chute, that would reach up to 6m from the back end of the truck. I phoned them, they can deliver when we want it, it will take 3 loads of one of their trucks, we can have one or two trucks relaying the materials to our site. Perfect. The price, £115 inc vat per cu m, is also not bad.
It turns out the company uses ‘volumetric mixing’ trucks. They have hoppers for sand, gravel & cement plus a tank for water. They mix on site by metering materials onto a conveyor belt and into an auger screw, add the water, then the screw mixes the concrete and pushes it out into the chute. Fine by me. I texted my two builder brothers and got suspicious replies. One said he tried it years ago and did not like it because it did not mix as well as a normal barrel truck. The other asked dubiously whether they would certify their mix.
I did some due diligence on Google and discovered that the industry is ‘somewhat’ divided about volumetric mixing. In the pro camp, they all say that you only get and pay for exactly what you need, there is no transport time for it to go off, it is cheaper because the trucks can do several drops in one round trip, they can alter the mix at any time. Nothing about the quality of mixing, though. The anti camp say that it is lower quality, but also that it is unfair because the volumetric trucks are classed as ‘engineering’ vehicles not HGVs, so they pay less road tax, do not need operators licences and do not need to meet upper weight limits for their vehicles. A fully loaded volumetric truck can mix 10 cu m in one load and weighs in at around 40 tonnes. Some-one suggested that if the trucks had to meet HGV weight limits, they could carry enough materials for about 4 cu m, so they would not be economic. And so on. The debate is heated.
I checked with our architect, he said we did not need a certificate for the concrete.
A question for another day, “how hands-off can you be and still get decent quality housing stock?”
I found some US technical documents about the relative qualities of volumetric v weight batched concrete. If the equipment is set up correctly and the operative knows what they are doing, they found that volumetric concrete was marginally stronger than barrel or drum mixed. So, what to do? Actually, it was an easy decision, the plusses greatly outweigh the minuses. The mix they quoted for, C35, is so massively over the top for a floor slab that it would have to be wildly variable to cause us future problems. So I will phone them and give them the opportunity to show their expertise and customer service. At a not-bad price.
Lime
We have found a source of lime that we will go with. In principle we want to match our mortar to what was used when the steading was built, but that may well have been produced from local materials that we do not have access to. Possibly sea shells. Or that rare outcrop of limestone up the coast towards Boddam. Who knows? We also observe that the walls in east and west wings are substantially tougher than those in the north wing, but is that because the builders used more mortar or a different composition?
So, to be practical, we looked for a commercial medium-strength naturally-hydraulic lime (NHL 3.5) that we knew we would be able to get hold of in large enough quantities, over several years. There are several candidates, so we looked at a) availability in Aberdeenshire and b) cost. Our local builders merchant sells a brand of lime, but it is over £17 per 25kg bag ex vat. Looking at on-line suppliers, their per-bag costs are lower, but by the time you add in transport, it is up to that sort of level. We kept looking until we found Singleton-Birch. They are based in the Lincolnshire wolds near Louth – close to where I was brought up – but have a stockist in Linlithgow, a stone-throw from the Forth bridges. I will drop in on our way up to Aberdeen and get 8 bags or so, at £11 + Vat a bag. If it is what we want, they will deliver tonne pallets to the steading for around £13.75 inc VAT per bag.
Lime goes off quite quickly, in the way cement does. I will take a whole load of heavy-gauge plastic bags (that we get out dog food delivered in) to wrap them up. We will see if that extends their life enough to work through a tonne batch.
Our next challenge is finding a consistent sharp sand to go with the lime, that resembles the original mix. We will start with the local stuff, which comes from a local quarry the far side of Ellon – recommended by the architect.